About bots and team balance

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3 weeks 15 hours ago (Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:50 pm)

Gotta ask, is there anything that can be done about how the bots behave when you join a team?
The issue seems fairly simple: When you join a team, one of the bots leave to give a spot.
However it's a bot from the wrong team, which forces you (the last player to join a team) to switch team or be auto-balanced in a couple dozen seconds.

However, upon reviewing the attached video footage below, it appears the issue may reside rather in how the game forces what team you're auto-assigned to.
I believe that's a measure to prevent abusive teamswitching, or stuff like nadeswitching. And that seems to be working (It seems to balance players, without accounting for bots).
I.e.: in the video, I auto-assign in a server with only 1 player and 7 bots. I'm placed in the same team as that player, but, a bot is removed in the team I should be auto-assigned to. So in that case, the bot that was removed was actually right. I was somehow put into the wrong team instead.

I don't have footage of more complex cases that I can better review myself, but I'm pretty sure there are cases where there is clear unbalance, like 3 players vs 1 player, yet I can't switch to the other team, because even though I can actually switch, a bot from the wrong team is removed, forcing me to be auto-balanced back into the team with 3 players. So basically it won't let me switch if there's a difference of 1 player (5v4, 2v3, etc.), but it will let me switch if there's 2 or more (3v1, 1v4, etc.) (but I'll be "balanced" back). Case in point:
My team is 3 players & 1 bot. And the other team is 1 player & 3 bots. But I can't switch to balance the teams because the bots won't let me. A bot from my former team is removed, instead of the one I'm switching to.
(the teams will become: My former team: 2 players, 0 bot /// My new team: 2 players 3 bots /// 2 v 5

This wouldn't be an issue if it was just a problem when joining. I'm fine with any team I join. But sometimes I wanna play against a specific player, and even if there's a free spot on the other team, for the reasons above, I can't switch. And while the bots technically make the teams "even" in numbers, 90% of the time, they're fodder that are easy to kill and thus really hinder the team they're on. So if it's 4v4, but one of the team has 3 bots and the other has 1, the team/player with 3 bots will most likely get dunked on because their bots will feed helis to the other team.
Or maybe sometimes you'd want to coop with another player vs the bots (which is kind of one of the nice things you can do when you have bots), but the restrictive auto-switching makes it mostly impossible to do on purpose (sometimes, a random combination of players joining and leaving may result in an imbalance of players, but I've yet to figure a way to manipulate that myself).

But yeah, I don't mind not being able to coop vs bots, that's just a secondary thought. I'm more concerned about not being able to balance teams back (3v1 into 2v2) when bots are filling the empty spots to make it 4v4.

The issue seemed simple to me initially, but there may be more to it than I thought. Thoughts? Thanks for any feedback on that issue.

Attached here is an example of the behavior. Maybe there's a way to manipulate the bots in-game to achieve that, but there I tried to play alongside that player and I just couldn't (which is fine, auto-assign *should* put me against the player. I'm just providing footage of the behavior).



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